Curse

Mr Pink57 · Feb 06, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

* Light of Deliverance: decreased casting time to 1 second; increased recharge time to 10 seconds.
* Heal Party: decreased casting time to 1 second; decreased healing to 30..75 Health.
* Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight: decreased Energy cost to 5; decreased casting time to 1 second; decreased recharge to 15 seconds; decreased healing to 15..60 Health.

So do you think LoD can now be viable again in PvP or is she still dead?

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Stormlord Alex · Feb 06, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

7 second recharge IMO.

Tab · Feb 06, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

With the buffs to non-elite stuff, there's no reason to take it

Kwan Xi · Feb 06, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

First Impressions: LoD's Recharge is just too much IMO now, I don't know about PvP but In PvE I'm not sure I would want to use it now..... well maybe when I test it out I'll change my mind.

I would agree 7 secs would be better (5 secs would be best but thats wishful thinking on my part).

I think they are making it so we would use Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight more as the Healing Equivalent of Aegis, but I'm not sure the high recharge would make it a reliable party heal yet.... gotta test it out though maybe I might change my mind.

Edit: Offering of Blood was buffed in the Necro line. The Health sacrifice still stands but, Its now one energy cost would that make the OoB Monk more viable again?

horseradish · Feb 06, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

So do you think LoD can now be viable again in PvP or is she still ?

IT'S THE CLOWN FROM POLTERGEIST ZOMG!!!!!!

*cough cough*

The party heals are....better....

They're still not viable imo.

LoD's recharge is too long.

Heal Party is still too expensive.

Heaven's Delight & Divine Healing were improved...but...so was Protective was Kaolai.

I'd rather take Kaolai.

Div · Feb 06, 2008, 09:54 PM // 21:54

LoD may be interesting in that most other "party heals" are earshout range. And it's often the case you don't have everyone in that range.

JDRyder · Feb 06, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

i miss LOD but it still sucks, 7sec rec will make it usable but the lack of healing it can do still sucks

Tyla · Feb 06, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets

With the buffs to non-elite stuff, there's no reason to take it

This.
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Age · Feb 06, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I like the changes even to Devine Healing which was never great before and I much prefer the 1 sec cast time to LoD.When it was at 2 sec I thought a longer recharge might of been better than the 2 sec recharge.10 sec. is not that long.

izzywish · Feb 06, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

I'm fairly new to the whole monking thing, but I started one a month back and have been enjoying the different playing style needed. I'm old and my concentration is.... What was I saying?

So to my point, I think the 2 sec cast was far more prefferable than a 10 sec recharge with LoD.
With Holy Haste and a 20%HCT I could instant cast LoD if needed and I kept Heaven's as a back up for if I got interrupted or the party took a serious spike. Even w/o Holy Haste, LoD was still very managable as a nice spamable party-wide heal at a low nrg cost.
It may not have been L33T monking and it may not have been right pretty, but it did the job. As you can imagine this update was a huge slap in the face for me. Still I'm sure I'll find a new build if they leave it as is; may even be time to try WoH. Tbh I could take the Heaven's delight nerf w/o a care if only they had left LoD as it was on the last update.

Age · Feb 06, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by izzywish

I'm fairly new to the whole monking thing, but I started one a month back and have been enjoying the different playing style needed. I'm old and my concentration is.... What was I saying?

So to my point, I think the 2 sec cast was far more prefferable than a 10 sec recharge with LoD.
With Holy Haste and a 20%HCT I could instant cast LoD if needed and I kept Heaven's as a back up for if I got interrupted or the party took a serious spike. Even w/o Holy Haste, LoD was still very managable as a nice spamable party-wide heal at a low nrg cost.
It may not have been L33T monking and it may not have been right pretty, but it did the job. As you can imagine this update was a huge slap in the face for me. Still I'm sure I'll find a new build if they leave it as is; may even be time to try WoH. Tbh I could take the Heaven's delight nerf w/o a care if only they had left LoD as it was on the last update.

I am old to.Lod is better for hybrids as with using holy haste 2 sec was to easy to interrupt.

I D E L E T E D I · Feb 07, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight
they are still bad IMO, need to increase the healing a little bit 45 Health at 10 divine in ear shout range kinda sucks lol
and i hope LoD gets a little buff too 7 secs and i would probably use it again^^

JoeKnowMo · Feb 07, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

The Charr complained and Izzy relented by breaking my ub3r Mindbender + LoD combo. Now I can't sleep while monking PvE.

This update makes me want to cut myself... guess I'll be giving OoB a shot.

Grammar · Feb 07, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

-No more LoD + Mindbender/HH. Even Heal Party + Healers Boon took a hit.

-Make LoD's recharge 7 seconds and call it a day with that skill.

-Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight need a slight heal power increase, given the line that they're in. They scale equal to Protective Was Kaolai now, but who runs high enough DF for it to be worth it? For most monks we're talking about a heal of 45 or 48 (10 and 11 DF). I say add about 10hp or so to that.

- Heal Party is still effective on a Mind Blast Ele. You get a faster cast and lose only 10hp. Seems like a fair trade-off, probably even a beneficial trade-off.

Palek · Feb 07, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Some words about massive attack vs party in PvE. For example, in TOMB all my party can lost more than 50% health in continue seconds. Before nerfs, I use heal of party (under healer's boon) 2 times and do +282 HP to all 8 members party. Now I don't know, what to use vs massive dmg from casters. Please, anybody give me advise.

Tab · Feb 07, 2008, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Heal Party will still heal plenty under HB.

Palek · Feb 07, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Yes, ibreaktoilets, heal party is still spammable. But I lost in healing 20% without compensation: I don't need in decreasing cast timing under healer's boon.

Erinya Gallowdawn · Feb 07, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Plus if you're using HB, you're subject to enchantment shatters and removals. If two skills combined are going to need to be the new standard for any form of effective party heal, Mantra of Concentration (not shatterable)+ pre-Nerf LoD would have been my choice.

Now however.... PvE adventuring in HM just got a whole lot harder. And Monks had such an easy time of it anyway right? (*sarcasm*)

Why, when so many other professions were either buffed or can hide behind the ridiculously overpowered Ursan Blessing, were the monks stomped on so hard with increased recharge, decreased effectiveness, or dropped recharges on party heals of incredibly limited usefulness? And I admit as I type this I'm thinking from a PvE standpoint.

bono · Feb 08, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

LoD is unusable. Healt party was on my skill bar of +2.5 years is now off. I'm pissed.

Hero/hench for monks is now 5X harder. Because those party heals let u target enemies during the fight and still heal. I spammed 4 skills LoD, Heal party, Aegis, Necrosis.

Now with 2 HM missions, 30 vanquisable areas, and 4 dungeons left to finish. My monking days are over. My monk is going URSAN. Which is way overpowered, and wasn't never because having "must have" skills will sell more copies of EotN.

Age · Feb 08, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

That could be the plan and to get Breath of the great Dwarf which is party heal.It seems like LoD is better that it depending on rank

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Breat...he_Great_Dwarf